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A Single Tear Streaming Up Her Face by ThatAsianMike A Single Tear Streaming Up Her Face by ThatAsianMike
I read a really nice headcanon idea a while ago about how Scoots is able to push her friends around on on her scooter so well that she must create a large amount of force backwards with her wings, which means she may be able to fly, just not right side up. So, of course I could see RD helping her figure that out, making this one of the happiest things I've ever drawn (even if it did take forever).

I tried going for an actual background this time, taking a page from Rain-Gear's book with lots of clouds (with no idea what I'm doing).

Scootaloo & Rainbow Dash (c) :iconfyre-flye: & HASBRO
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Rainbowfactory1234 Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
S-shes flying :')
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ElwisFromPoland Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2014
Oh gosh, it's so beautiful. :)
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TheProviant Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't think you remember, but there are scenes when Scootaloo fly's like a regular Pegasus, even if only for a short time.
Im pretty sure one of which scenes is in Hearts and Hooves day.
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ThatAsianMike Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014
But it's canon that she has a disorder that makes her unable to fly, and there was even the flight to the finish episode that clearly showed she can't fly.
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TheProviant Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Link to the episode?
If its any of the new ones I wouldn't know, I have barley watched any of season 4.
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ThatAsianMike Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014
I don't have a link to the episode. It's not that big of a deal, you can just look it up if you're really that interested
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DoughnutJoe Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014
At first glance I thought that Dash, with a maniacal grin, had just dropped her. :)
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Apple-Tank Featured By Owner May 22, 2014  Student Artist
One guy's theory is that Scoots can fly like a hummingbird, which means most pegasi techniques don't work for her.
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ThatAsianMike Featured By Owner May 24, 2014
Well, there really is no set definition for how the pegasi fly, but a lot of the more odd motions and hovering that the ponies have done in the show wouldn't be possible without hummingbird wings. That said, they don't have hummingbird wings or humming bird bodies, so that's not really the answer. I'm thinking (post S4 finale) that the wings are just like unicorn horns for pegasi in that they channel whatever magic is inside of them to let them fly. There's gotta be some correct muscular usage thing with that, seeing as Fluttershy was shown to be a weak flyer since she doesn't usually fly to develop those muscles, and we've been told Scoots has a disability that makes her unable to fly which most people attribute to being part of some kind of muscle disorder.
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South-Fur Featured By Owner May 16, 2014  Student Digital Artist
sometimes you just gotta turn the whole world upside down in order to see it rightside up.^^
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joeioe Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice one :D
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South-Fur Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Thank you.^^
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CMC--Scootaloo Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It's a nice headcanon, but, if that would be true Scootaloo would, when she is hovering while her hooves point to the ground, with the backwards force she creates pushing herself down to the ground again.
She even couldn't lift her body up that way then.
So, that can't be.
I'm sorry for breaking that for you. :( But that's better than having false hopes and being disappointed when finding that out later.

But it's still a great picture and I sure love it to see her so happy! :)
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ThatAsianMike Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2014
You're not breaking anything, the headcanon makes plenty of sense. The reason she could barely hover while right side up is because she's trying so hard to use her undeveloped muscles to create downward force, not the backward force like she uses while on her scooter. i.e. she's not flapping the same way she does on her scooter when shes just hopping up and flapping her wings. So, if she flipped herself over and tried to flap her wings the same way she does while using her scooter, she could use the large amount of force it takes to move herself, AB and Sweetie, and even more ponies like Pinkie Pie to create enough lift to keep herself in the air.
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CMC--Scootaloo Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, forget the last comment. I just realized that I couldn't really express anymore what I meant, because I wrote that comment at 10:00 AM in the morning after staying up the whole night.


What I meant is, if she tries to fly while right side up, she creates with the bottom side of her wings a force that goes down and that lifts her up.
If she would lie down on her back then and then flapping her wings, the bottom of her wings, that now point upwards, would create the same force. But this time, the force would not go down, but up, because she lies on her back.
Which would then press her even further in the ground. Because the force always spreads out from the bottom of her wings.

And the real tricky thing here is unfortunately gravity.
When she tries to fly, she has to overcome gravity, which is much harder than empowering her scooter on the ground. To overcome gravity, she needs more force than to move her scooter forward, because when she does that, there is no opposite force behind her, that pulls her back and that she has to overcome first, to move forward with her scooter.
But when moving upwards, this force is there and that means she needs more of her own force and more strength to overcome that, than she needs to simply move her scooter forward on the ground, no matter if she carries something/someone or not while doing so.
The muscles in her wings are strong enough to move her scooter forward, but not strong enough to create the necessary strength to make her overcome the much bigger force of gravity, at least not for more than a few seconds.
This is the reason why she only reaches a certain height every time she tries to fly and that she doesn't come higher than that despite still flapping with her wings after reaching that height.
Because the muscles in her wings simply weaken after some seconds, which is the amount of time she needs to reach that certain height. And that happens much faster to her than to other pegasi because the muscles in her wings are much weaker.
That what Scootaloo suffers from is a classical myasthenia.
It's hard to tell how strong developed this myasthenia is exactly, but it can be seen that it's strong enough to make it impossible for her to overcome gravity for more than a few seconds before her muscles weaken and before she is forced to land again.
This is why she will never really be able to fly, at least not with her wings.
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ThatAsianMike Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2014
Fair points, and as far as what you're saying (which I'm assuming is stemmed from real life physics and flight behavior), I completely agree. Her wings are too tiny to actually create lift and sustain gliding with a pony's weight (even moreso since I for some reason didn't draw their wings at the larger length that I prefer for ponies), her condition would be far too hampering on her flight muscles' development and function, and flying upside down would probably really fuck with any actual bird trying to fly meaning she would be at just as much of a disadvantage.

But I still buy into the idea that not only are MLP ponies very light (i.e. have a much easier time opposing gravity) and Scootaloo goes so fast with so much weight dragging on her at times that she creates a lot of backward force, and specifically backward force. Your first points about her wings only generating force from their bottom side can be rebutted, because she wouldn't be able to ride around on her scooter like she does without creating a massive amount of force behind her. Putting that force to use when keeping her off the ground would be where RD comes in.

Pegasi in the show have shown that they don't follow realistic physics of flight like birds, so when they hover they are either so light that they can keep themselves in the air without flapping like hummingbirds or just need to be flapping their wings with some arbitrarily determined force to stay airborne. Which can explain why Scoots can't get off the ground but Fluttershy can do it fine, since there's no way Flutters is gonna be flapping her wings very hard. RD is an exceptional flyer and could easily train scoots to use her already well developed motor skills (excuse the pun) that she uses to move so quickly and easily on her scooter instead of focusing on whatever specific pseudo flapping that the other ponies use to fly right side up.

Also, ponies have already flown upside down in the show (even though I would attest to be used as a convenient added silliness to certain scenes where it happens) so it's stands as a viable way for Scoots to fly. As for her actual condition that handicaps her flight, we just don't know and that's also why I liked this headcanon so much, since it's her idol helping her overcome that disability and it just makes the whole thing very uplifting (again, excuse the pun).

So, I say just chalk it up to the magical talking horse suspension of belief and appreciate the positive character interaction (which you say you already do, so I'm glad)
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CMC--Scootaloo Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I do enjoy your happy picture very much, even when she not really can fly like that, but I also prefer to think about the whole thing with her wings realistic, because, if I would lure myself into the hope that she will fly one day with her wings, in whichever way, it will only be harder when the day comes where she finds out that she is really disabled and that this is the reason why she still can't fly and when she has to face it that her dreams are crushed to begin with.
It's already hard enough.

>>>Your first points about her wings only generating force from their bottom side can be rebutted, because she wouldn't be able to ride around on her scooter like she does without creating a massive amount of force behind her.<<<

Thinking about it now, you're right. She could, while lying on her back, create a downward force also with the upper side of her wings. But then again, this force wouldn't be any stronger than the force she would create with the bottom side when she flies right side up.
It would be as big as the other force, which would lead to the same, that she can fly for some seconds and reaching this certain height she always reaches when trying to fly, and that her muscles then weaken again and that she has to stop.
The only difference would be that she would hover upside down then.
Also, another problem with this method, that makes it even completely impossible, is the fact that her wings would touch the ground.
When she lies on her back, with spreaded wings, they would only be a few centimeters above the ground. When she flaps them then downwards to create a downward force with their upper side, she would touch the ground with them which would interrupt the movement.
The only way to avoid that would be to flap her wings slower and to stop and move them upwards again before touching the ground with them. But then, she would flap her wings too slow to create a real force that's strong enough to lift her up.
Then again, she could lie on something that makes her being half a meter above the ground or something, but, as I explained above, it would be the same like flapping while being right side up, with the only difference that she would fly upside down then.
Her wing muscles are just not strong enough for that.

>>>Pegasi in the show have shown that they don't follow realistic physics of flight like birds,<<<

I don't know what you mean. Aside from the magic and the weather controlling and the controlling of the sun and the moon, the world Equestria is located on has, judging from everything we saw so far, the same laws of physics and nature like our world.

>>>As for her actual condition that handicaps her flight, we just don't know<<<

We don't know it in that way that we saw her doctor giving her the diagnosis, yes. Even she doesn't know yet for sure that she has a disablity, even when it seemed before "Flight to the Finish" that she does know that and that she's just suppressing it, she just fears until now that she has a disability, because she can't fly yet while she already should be able to at her age and because, like she mentions it in "Flight to the Finish", her wings don't grow (anymore).
I don't know if it's a symptom of myasthenia that the body parts that are befallen with it don't grow anymore, but it's possible, and even if not, we shouldn't forget that Equestria is a completely different world.
There can be diseases exist we never even heard of in our world (Cutie Pox) and so it can be there is a disease that is similar to myasthenia and has additionally the symptom that the body parts with the weak muscles stop growing.
And all her other symptoms are typical for myasthenia.

>>>and that's also why I liked this headcanon so much, since it's her idol helping her overcome that disability and it just makes the whole thing very uplifting (again, excuse the pun).<<<

Having that headcanon is fine if it makes things easier for you, but you shouldnt't expect that this is really the case and that she can really fly that way one day.
It's better to stay aware of it that she is disabled and that she will never fly, to not getting hit so hard by the episode, in which we will see how she finds that out and in which she gets informed of her disability, like we would when we cling ourselves on false hopes before it.
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ThatAsianMike Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014
Ugh, dude, you're just arguing moot points. The way she uses her scooter demonstrates all of her ability to not be tired while using her wings and create large amounts of force backwards with them, despite the fact that she doesn't get off the ground when its part of a bit in the show where she tries and fails to fly. If you can't see how ponies don't follow real life flight physics, you either don't watch closely enough when they fly or you haven't really considered how birds need momentum and aerodynamic flapping to actually create lift as air passes their wings. You're also being very decisive and pessimistic about how much she's affected by the disease that hasn't been named in canon and which has only been said to be a disability that makes her unable to fly. She could have a form of muscular dystrophy that makes correctly flapping her wings to let her fly right-side up difficult to do. And that's just a guess, as is yours (even though I've seen a few more sources that would agree that she has myasthenia), since we aren't given a name or reference point to what actually ails her.

As for you claiming this headcanon is clinging to false hopes, it's a headcanon that involves the suspension of belief with a show about magical talking horses, you seem to think that I take it seriously or something. I've told you that I understand and agree with your claims from a realistic perspective and I'll tell you now that I've known as long as anyone else that Faust has said that Scootaloo wouldn't be able to fly with her handicap, but I just used the contradiction of that as an idea for a picture. I'm not going to go around to spout this shit off like it's canon. And as a side note, that last bit at the end of your response comes off as pretty condescending, which, again, makes me think you're taking this thing too seriously and not just as a nice thought that someone else came up with.
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CMC--Scootaloo Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
>>>I've told you that I understand and agree with your claims from a realistic perspective and I'll tell you now that I've known as long as anyone else that Faust has said that Scootaloo wouldn't be able to fly with her handicap, but I just used the contradiction of that as an idea for a picture. I'm not going to go around to spout this shit off like it's canon.<<<

What's the problem then? If you think like that as well, why are you arguing the whole time like you think that she is not disabled at all?
Or at least like she will fly in another way one day?
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ThatAsianMike Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014
Headcanon. That I liked. And made a picture. Inspired by said headcanon. With you telling me that I have no reason to think the headcanon would work or I should ignore it all together for some odd point of not being disappointed or being ignorant to something like Scoots' diasability that I knew full well about. So I explain why, canonically, in the show about magical talking horses, where they don't follow the real life physics you seem to be basing your points on, it COULD work and makes sense to me. Is not true, but is appealing, and not taken seriously in anyway. Read what I typed before going off your own stubbornness and thinking I'm trying to fight you.
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ciskat Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
That's actually a very good headcanon. Scoots never tried flying upside down. ;)
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Artention Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yaaaaay !! Love it !! <3
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Rain-Gear Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Draw moar clouds!!
Congrats on the DF!
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ThatAsianMike Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014
MNNNNNNNN UNACCEPTABLE DRAWFRIEND
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MoppyPuppy Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014
Her wings don't have enough surface area. This image is before a fall.
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ThatAsianMike Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014
No, the headcanon is that she can make enough lift to stay in the air with her little wings because of how well she can ride her scooter around.
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MoppyPuppy Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014
Like a VTOL.
Unfortunately Harriers still require adequate wings to go places.
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ThatAsianMike Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014
I'm fairly certain that real world physics don't need to be so strictly applied to magical talking horses
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MoppyPuppy Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014
Meh. Nightmare Moon was just a dream.
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ElementOf-Loyalty Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
All Pegasus are crazy!
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silberhase Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2014
Very beautiful! And I hope that Scootaloo will be able to fly in the series.
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NavelColt Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Scootalove + Ponies with Belly Buttons? :'D This must be a dream come true, Mike! All it's missing is Discord...but the clouds are pink! CloseEnough.jpg :heart:
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ThatAsianMike Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2014
Yeah, I figured you would like the belly buttons, and I was pretty happy to get the Discord-esque shades of pink going on for the clouds :D I'm glad you like it
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NavelColt Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Welp, you were absolutely right :love: I adore it!
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